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>> welcome to al jazeera america. i'm dell these are the stories we are following at this hour. the search for a missing malaysia airlines expands now to the west coast. more than ten countries are involve in the search. officials say the two men with stolen pass ports have been identified and officials don't think they are terrorists. viktor yanukovych claims he is still the heard -- leader and commander in chief of ukraine. a violent protest in venezuela claims the life of a student who served as oppetition
leader. the death follows a day of street clashes between protesters and venezuelan security forces. and today marking the 10th anniversary of the madrid train bombings. a memorial service was held this morning to honor the victims. and japan is marking the third anniversary of that earthquake and tsunami that killed more than 18,000 people there. the country has since struggled to rebuild, nearly 270,000 people still can't go home. those are your headlines, i'm del walters in new york. "consider this" is next. ukraine tries to hold off russian troops as pro-russian sentiments spreads. michael jordan is wealthy, but
other retired athletes are going bankrupt in droves. and can the government step in and stop sea world's main attraction. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this". here is more on what is ahead. >> there was no distress signal. >> two men flying with stolen passports. >> all protocols have been complied with. >> i'll never give up hope. >> any attempt by russia it lig mice an illegal referendum will require us to respond by retch eting up the pressure. >> crimea is and should remain a part of ukraine. >> venezuela had more than five weeks of protests. there are concerns it could get out of control. >> it's politically motivated. it's a direct
attack on sea world. >> we begin with the mystery of malaysia airlines flight 370. more than three countries have been involved in a land and sea search from a plane that took off from kuala lumpur. it had 239 passengers and two were travelling with stolen passports, sparking fears of terrorism. officials warn that that is rushing to judgment because stolen passports is a worldwide problem. the disappearance of a modern aircraft without a trace is an unprecedented mystery. we are joined by linda vincent, former federal assistant to the aviation administration pore aviation standard. he's an author and president of aerospace services international. he joins us from our washington d.c. studio. from watertown, dr jim walsh, an
expert and international security and a fellow at the massachusetts institute of technology's security studies program. technology is everywhere. i can track my family's flights through an app on my iphone. how can a plane weighing 143 tonnes plus vanish? >> very perplexing. there are several scenarios that one could run through that might answer that, but none seem completely satisfactory at this point. that aeroplane not only was tracked by radar, but probably by a system called ads b, which is a satellite system which is more precise than radar. i'm not sure that pt malaysians are using that. i yes they have two ground
stations within the country. >> nows of passengers with stolen passports sparked fear of terrorism. the federal bureau of investigation is involved. a handful of countries verify passports with interpol. i saw a number, that a billion people travel internationally without having the passports checked. it's all too common. >> it is incredibly common. passports are owned and run by individual governments. there are 199 different governments, they have their own rules and which of doing it. one thing to keep in find is we are mixing together two important actors. one is the government. when i fly, there's a t.s.a. man or woman who checks my licence and passport when i get on. separately there's the airlines, and they are a private entity, trying to make a profit, minimising cost and the
competitive environment. in some ways when you focus on the government and there are governments, the u.s., the u.k., the alabama - they check a lot of passports. when they do that, they do that after you arrive. if you were going to blow up an aeroplane, it wouldn't do you much good. if you are going to get at the issue and if interpol wants the database to prevent people getting on board with a bad passport, you'll have to engage the private entities, who will be reluctant to do that. >> i once left united states with an expired passport, and they let me into france with no problem at all. you wonder about passport chrome. i read the air-france plane that crashed in the atlantic, that this is bringing back memories of that. that, as it was in distress, sent a series of messages out, not from the pilot, but the plane. would that have happened with
this aeroplane. >> with the 777 i'm certain it would, back to the malaysian home system from a maintenance standpoint and probably through the boeing company. that is a very, very sophisticated aeroplane and, in fact, my favourite aeroplane to fly anywhere. the perplexing part of this is that we don't have all of the information probably that's available to the authorities at this point. but, you would think that given the - the extent of that technology, that more is known about the last few minutes of the airplane. however, if a catastrophic failure, which is one possible scenario occurred, all of that could have been shut off. >> if they have that information
that we were showing a map, it shows the incredibly massive area, which makes you wonder what kind of information they were getting. investigators say that they couldn't conclusively rule out any cause, including terrorism, hijacking, catastrophic error, pilot error. you have been talking to a lot of people. what have you heard? >> i'm happy to hear, to know what billy's safest airline is. you know, i think folks are skeptical about the terrorism theory, again, what we are dealing with is incredibly rare event, a plane going down. terrorist events are rare, so we speculate about the rarest of rare events. if it's going to be a terror attack, as an international security guy, what is the motivation, who is the target, and why is there a credible claim of responsibility, there's
no real history, systematic history in south-east asia, and so we have u.s. government officials in the intelligence community saying, quietly, so far they see no evidence of terror: again, billy's right. anything is possible because we have little data. for me, this is not adding up to be a terror thing. it may change your. i'm not seeing it so far. >> do you agree. as you said no distress call. is there any way a plane could have crashed into the water, assuming it crashed into the water, because they have expanded the search to land, but without field? >> everything shut off, apparently, at one instant. which would - which occupy one scenario would say that that was a catastrophic event.
the air frame failure of some sort. there is a possible scenario which is highly improbable however, because it gets into a number of other problems. let's say two hijackers or more managed somehow to take obvious the airplane. the immediate thing they would have to do is turn off the transponder, any other connection that the aeroplane had electronically with the outside world. it's more improbably at that point in order to silence the passenger cabinet they'd have to have a number operating in the passenger cabin to make sure no one used a telephone or computer to communicate with the outside world. then there's the problem of what do you do with a 777. where do you put it? a hi
jobbing scenario fails by a number of factors. it's possible, but highly, highly improbable. bringing you back to a reason for a catastrophic failure in strike at high altitude. >> so many scenarios. it's hard to spkulate given there are so many lives involved. it seems like there's a terrible tragedy. appreciate your time. >> we turn to pro-russian unrest spreading in ukraine, and mixed messages from russia. the russian president vladimir putin insists crimea has every right to become part of his session. the russians are signalling a willingness to complain. in crimea, the convict pro-russian prime minister announced he and his government have their own army. the chorus of people saying louder.
>> i do not believe that crimea will slip out of russia's hands. >> you think crimea is gone. >> i do. he we are joined by william taylor, and kurt volker, a former u.s. ambassador to n.a.t.o., and the executive director of the mack cane institute at the university of arizona. they join us from washington d.c. you heard bob gates say that crimea is gone, is it? >> no, it's not gone. it doesn't look great. but there's some indication, as your leader says, that there could be talks, discussions. the russians occupy with their troops crimea.
it gives them something to bargain with. about. >> ambassador kurt volker, what do you think? >> i think russia clearly staked out what it wants. it wants to annex crimea. while it isn't gone today, i think by next week this time we'll be saying it is. >> what about the possibility of greater escalation. the rest of eastern and southeastern ukraine, we saw pro-russian demonstrations on monday, and the russians made noises, as they did about crimea, about protecting russians there. >> so the russians can prompt the demonstrations at any point. they have been sending prove okay tours across the border. they can make them happen, what is going on in ukraine is response to what is going on in crimea.
that is the non-crimean part. ukrainians are pulling together. they are uniting in opposition to this russian move. >> i think the russians may have misplayed this. >> you don't think the russians ukraine. >> i think if they did, it would be a major disaster for them. the ukrainians will unit and fight if the russians move across the border and it will rejuvenate n.a.t.o. >> james jeffrey, a former u.s. ambassador to turkey said it's time for the u.s. to send troops to the polish ukrainian border to conduct military exercises. >> ground troops showing our willingness to defend our nervous n.a.t.o. allies in eastern europe. >> your reaction? there are smaller allies in europe that border on russia.
places. >> there are. let's take a couple of points. we search the baltic state. >> some of them, such as the baltic states have russian minorities themselves could see russian bodies handing out passport and they'll say they may need to act to protect russian citizens. that is something that worries them. some steps to show resolve and support for the allies would be a good idea. there's another purpose to this. and i think it gets back to what bill was discussing earlier about donetsk and eastern ukraine. vladimir putin made up his mind. he'll annex crimea. the next step is to see how far else he can go. can he do anything, issuing strait another referendum. for him.
it's their question of does he get away with it. is there pushback from the ukrainians. does he negotiate down from there. pocketting crimea but negotiating the rest. he feels from there he has to negotiate and back down. it's important he has some control. >> should the u.s. and n.a.t.o. move forces to the area to send a signal. >> yes, and they have. planned to monitor the activity over ukraine and russia. that's a good move. there has been air assets moved into poland and the baltic states. it is important. it demonstrates if we keep it about treaty commitments. >> talking about movement of troops.
ukraine's armed forces carried out training exercises to test their readiness. >> do you think there's any likelihood - ambassador taylor mentioned if russia went into eastern ukraine, that they'd fight back. do you think there's a chance crimea? >> i don't think so. when georgians fought with russians, it turned out bad for georgia. the ukrainian military is nowhere near a match if it comes to that. ukrainians will show resolves but not initiate conflict. >> want secretary of state john kerry saying no to his russian counterpart saying he's not going to moscow after all to talk to him? >> i think it will take time.
but not much time, for the parties to get together. angela merkel has been trying to put together a contact group. that's a good idea. and have you russians and the ukrainians and n.a.t.o. members having a discussion. it is important, but it has to be an basic terms, fair terms. the russians need to come to the discussion. >> kurt volker, angela merkel, as the ambassador said, is talking about a contact group, and she spoke with vladimir putin and told him that the crimea referendum was illegal, and she wants a political solution. do you think the european union has the guts, to put it bluntly, to get together with the united states and trigger serious negotiate? >> well, let me make a couple of points on this. first off, i think the russians have the advantage of tempo. they have a week before
crimea declares in favour of joining russia. they view diplomatic discussions at this point as a useful holding pattern for international community while they go ban annexing crimea. jer john kerry has a point. next is not the diplomatic talks, but the actions that back up diplomacy. here, i think there'll be appetite from the european union for sanctions if russia proceeds with annexing crimea. not before, but if it goes ahead with it. i think vladimir putin is calculating that we don't have the staying power to put in long-term biting sanctions against russia. he may be right. it will take that to get the european stacked and they'll worry about count
retaliation, particularly on energy supplies and european investment. great to have you on the show. thank you. >> coming up, after more violence over the weekend. the man who barely lost last year's presidential election speaks to al jazeera. and harmeli aregawi tracks the top stories on the web. >> two dozen senators are making a dramatic gesture for climate change. is it more just talk. i'll tell you more coming up. while you are watching, join the conversation on twitter, facebook and google+.
inflation and worst violent crime wages on. the man who narrowly lost the presidential is speaking out to al jazeera, henriques capriles. >> i think we are entering a crucial moment. we are waiting to see if there's a shift in the government's position or attitude. will they consider repress or do they want the peace they are speaking about on tv. >> paul beban conducted the interview. talking about the shift in attitude, i know henriques capriles rejected meeting with nicolas maduro until he releases political prisoners including leopoldo lopez. who did henriques capriles stress most in his interview today? what stood out the most to you? >> what he said is that these olive branches that the government has extended to the opposition, he says are hollow. that they are not opening up true dialogue. what they'll do is they'll take a picture of me shaking hands
with nicolas maduro, and everything is fine, and nothing will change your. there's a sense of a stalemate. there's a radical wing of the opposition, and you have henriques capriles and others on the peaceful side looking for a peaceful resolution, and now, never the twain shall meet. the opposition is divided and the government is not willing to talk to either side of the opposition. it's hard to see where progress will come. >> as you say divisions a clear with the opposition. it seems like an enormous majority. every night there seems to be a protest that turns to violence. do any of the opposition leaders have hope over the troops that peaceful. >> i think they do. the problem you have is you have
henriques capriles and his ilk calling for a peaceful resolution, and leopoldo lopez, who has been gaoled for formenting violence, calling for protests and confrontational posture. henriques capriles told me that he thinks the protests, that the violence serves the government's pump, giving them a boggiman to point to saying, "these are the stools of the imperialist." they are trying to overthrow the government, and it allows the government to distract from the real problems, something you pointed out earlier. sky rocketing inflation, crime and violent suppression. and every night. what is striking is street theatre, playing out every night. they go back and forth between the protesters and the security forces and are not making mass arrests or taking people off the streets.
it's like this is it just enough of an escape valve for the rage. the government knows there's not much of an arm or angry opposition to overthrow them. it serves their purpose. that's what it looks like here. >> he wants a confrontational stance, but he has not called for violence. one place where things are not staying peaceful is in the west of the country. you were there last week. there are reports of some stronger confrontations there. >> that's right. we are headed back out there tomorrow. we have a producer who is there who is witnessed in the last couple of nights the barricades that are getting bigger, more fortified, and at the same time the government's security forces, the response is becoming more aggressive. the produce on the scene is reporting that the government buildings are ramming the
barricades, crashing through and pursuing protesters down the street. the people building the barricades. they feel they need to protect them from the rolling bands, what they say are groups of government-sponsored thugs. >> the situation is that it feels like the most explosive. there's no resolution in sight where this began. >> paul beban in caracas. we look forward to your reports from san cristobal. >> the white house is responding to the crisis in venezuela, joe biden said:
>> is any u.s. action, diplomatically likely to come. let's ask michael mccarthy, with the johns hopkins school of advanced international studies and lecturers on international studies, and a member of the carter center. what role do you think the u.s. can play, or is it better for all. >> i think it's very interesting that, you know, vice president biden made the remarks i head of the inauguration of michelle bachelet in chile. it's likely to stir up the pot ahead of the discussions happening behind closed doors. i don't see the statements from the vice president as really suggesting or signalling a change your from the status quo of a strong rhetoric from each side. i think the nicolas maduro
government will review the remarks as more cold water poured on the possibility of a normalisation of ties between the two countries, something that the nicolas maduro government expressed an interest in doing and then reverse course quickly. venezuela is a low-leverage state. it has a lot of oil, as we know, and good relationships with china and russia to give it international outlets, besides working through the united community. >> you are bringing up the inauguration. a lot of leaders will be there. there has been talk about having meetings. will the nicolas maduro government engage. i think they will try to engage through the people they trust, or the people they feel confident who can represent their from which is they feel they are attacked by what they describe as a slow-moving coup. they'll make a statement distancing themselves.
that doesn't seem likely to happen. there is some possibility, perhaps, for some soft things of some of the language on the part of u.s. government officials if there can be interlock tours between the two. brazil is a country they mention. i'm not getting my hopes up. >> how long do you think the protesters can keep the pressure on. anything? >> it's difficult to really project a specific time frame. it's important to realise that the protests are certainly at a crossroads in the sense that as your reporter mentioned, henriques capriles and his camp are not in favour of some of the parts of this protest movement, the posture of - whether it's the party groups setting up every night, and setting garbage on fire. henriques capriles and his party are interested in trying to channel the social frustration
into more targeted political objectives, and looking for stayed reform in terms of offices in the venezuelan government about electoral reform, about the judicial system. that's where they want this discussion, this protest most to go. it's difficult to envision how they could harness the force of the street towards such reform. >> there has been cracks in the government's support. the governor of the state with san cristobal is. we have been talking about it for weeks. you have written that despite the little cracks, most of the people who support nicolas maduro have united as part of the process. >> i think they have recoiled from the
protest movement. there are different sectors of the population involved in the protest movement. some of the most visible elements of the protest movement have turned off sectors of the population, in particular if you call them independent process. people don't see sustainable solution to the long-term problems. i'm not sure if people are rallying around the flag. they may be recoiling from some of the radical sectors of the go. >> nicolas maduro kept the attacks going on the press. one of the top powerful people, the head has filed a criminal complaint against one of the great socialist leaders of
venezuela who broke with chavez a while back. will that hurt nicolas maduro. the fact that they go after the press. no matter where they are. >> my personal view is it's not in the government's interest to ratchet up the pressure on the private press in venezuela. i don't think it serves a political purchase and calls into question the extent to which the government is a full supporter of the freedom of the press. i don't think it's a strategy that will serve the long-term centres of the country. that's for sure. >> so much going on. we'll stay on top of it. you. >> time to see what is trending on the web. let's check in with aregawi. >> the hash tag up for climate has been trending. 20,000 have been using it. 28 senators, including 26 democrats and two independence stay up through monday night
into tuesday morning to talk about climate change. it's to wake up congress about the seriousness of the issue. >> we need to protect communities and infrastructure and health threats and rising seas. the senators are not pushing for specific legislation, and some say the gesture is less about climate change, and more about campaign cash for the midterm elections in november. in 2012 environmental groups spent about 20 million on ads and other activities to help democrats win elections and gave over 700,000 to candidates during the cycle. climate change must be addressed but is this an effective method. who knows. and it was said: read more at the website. aljazeera.com. >> and straight ahead - a
>> c.p.a.c. wrapped up in washington d.c., raising questions about the future of the republican party . rand paul flew away his opposition. growing young libber at airian wing of the party showed up. president obama faces criticism from the right and is at odds with his own party. will the democrats rally behind
the president or distance themselves. let's bring in bill schneider, a senior fellow and resident scholar with third way. a professor, and cricketer for al jazeera. and james warne, the washington bureau chief for the new york daily news and former managing editor for the chicago tribune, and finishing the panel is tom doherty, a republican strategist and former senior advisor to governor petaki. >> rand paul with 31%, ted cruz with a distant second with 11% of the vote. paul's second see back straw poll in a row win. what does it mean? >> it means trouble for the republican party. he's the king of c.p.a.c., which doesn't mean that much. rand paul splits the republican party, mostly over foreign
policy, and he talks about it being a big tent getting on the nerves of some people and on a lot of issues he's out there by himself against marco rubio, san cristobal, and ted cruz and others. if he's a serious contender, it will split it right open. >> tom, what is your reaction. it's not just rand paul. ted cruz was the second highest vote getter. those two are probably the two polarizing figures. >> i think rand paul strikes a nerve with young people. >> the n.s.a. issue. security in terms of people listening into the conversation. if rand paul could attrac voters to the party, it's a good thing. can he win a national election?
i am not sure it would happen. if he could bling in new people thing. >> we have been talking about the split between the established republicans and the tea party. are we seeing a 3-way split, where we have the tea party, the established, mitt romney types and the lib erp tarian wing. >> we can't categorise is it that simply giving the ubiquity of the rise and growth in libber at airianism among youth as we alluded to. you can't categorise a lot of folks as democrats or republicans. they find rand paul interesting, not just the n.s.a. but the drones issue that attracts them. you can look at c.p.a.c. and say other than mitt romney in 2012,
as a colleague reminded me we didn't back a window. this was a fascinating window to their division. autumn more so since rand paul is a cooler figure than somebody like ted cruz. i will not sell him short, regardless of what john mccain might thing. >> to james point. tony falrisio, found that almost half of the voters, the straw poll, were between the age of 18 and 25. do you think we are seeing a rebirth of a different kind of republican party. more libertarian? >> there's no question. rand paul is not out will talking about the social conservative issues that ted cruz does. rand paul is doing what the - the raiban model of put --
rayingan model of putting the modern face on in, wearing the jeans, looking cool. the optics in politics is an important message. he doesn't come across as the hater. they seem like haters. this turns off voters. >> let's switch gears and talk about the democratic side. president obama has been vasing marsh crit sims from the g.o.p. about his handling of the crisis in ukraine. no one wants to go war with russia. what do the republicans want the president to do at this point? >> they talk about his being tougher. he was tough in syria and they objected. you want to go to war in syria. the problem with president barack obama, is the fear factor is not there. every president has to establish the fear factor. if you defy me, he has to say to
his party and the opposition, you're going to pay a price for it. lynnedan johnson did it. kennedy did it when he stood down the steel industry. truman did it. barack obama might have done that. he's never come across as a man to be field. mackeya veli wrote it's more important for a prince to be feared than loved. >> jim, you are shaking our head. the p's foreign policy is being criticised by democrats. bill thought he was stronger than other people. you have syria, where people think he pulled back. the iranian nuclear deal, and his approval ratings are as bad as he's been. the question is is his foreign policy and the imagine of it hurting him. >> to a certain extent, yes,
it's extentuting the inevitable fatigue factor. if you look at the six guys. the guys were on the middle or precipe of real problems. one-way war we couldn't stand. one with impeachment and regan with contra. it's not surprising democrats will put their fingers in the wing. folks are not happy. i better keep ni distance. when it comes to the fear factor and comparison to lyndon son son, all the more so sips the man that played walter white, a methamphetamine dealer... play. >> he ha giant majorities that president obama didn't have, and a different republican on the other side.
durk son from illinois was collaborative. to the cashing cat tur of johnson as the tough guy and president obama as the weakling has gone overboard. >> it's interesting you have brought up the issues. marie wrote a column arguing that the president's problems is domestic, that harry reid changed the senate rules to get the president's appointment passed by lowering the vote and eliminating fila buster, but the democrats failed to pass a nomination. harry reid and nancy pelosi blocked his trade agenda in congress. is he having issues. >> he's not a popular president. poll tirns will do what is in their best interests, not the presidents. they'll do it to relocate themselves. running with the president in swing states is not a good idea. >> do you agree, bill.
>> where is the boom. that's what people are asking. regan had an economic boom. bill clinton had an economic boom. that got him through impeachment. where is the boom with obama. that will solve the problems. >> thank you both for being on the show. >> ahead michael jordan is wealthy without stepping on the court in a decade. many he played against is broke. sea world is a billion dollar business.
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>> recent events turned the image of happy shamu the whale upside down. a documentary "blackfish" painted a dark picture of the culture of sea world through the story of a killer whale at sea world, responsible for the deaths of three people, most notably a top trainer pulls into the water and drowned. now a bill to force the theme park to end its shows in an effort to protect highly social and intelligent animals. i'm joined by that assemblyman, a democrat, who is proposing that ban on ashingas. and felipe ku pooustphillipe
cousteau. it's good to have you with us. what do you hope to achieve? >> the important thing is the bill would end the captive breeding program of orca, and would make it illegal the import or export of orcas into or out of the state of california. >> are these orcas suffering in kept? >> it's an important question. you bring up a great point in the debate. it's long overdue. it's hypocritical to take a creature that can swim 100 miles in a day and has rich social ties, to degrade their quality in life to enhance ours. the habitat. no matter who we do, the whoels in captivity is nothing like
what their life would be in the wild. while i have heard people recovery to treating them like kings, the truth is if you put me in a room, you can feed me the best food and take care of me, but if my life is in a small enclosure with people yelling, making noise and poking at me, i don't think it's a quality of life that any creature deserves. certainly not animals with hi degrees of emotional awareness and intelligence. if the orcas can't survive in the while, the ones there now. what do you propose be done. do they not entertain under similar conditions. >> the orcas are surviving in the wild. let's bear it in mine. >> some believe ones born in wild. >> that is
correct. ones born in capacity cannot be born in the wild. we are saying that they are not doing well in captivity. their life spans are reduced, and they live in a state of stress that is leading to bad consequences for those in captivity. we want to end the captivity program. it will be over a period of time because great mammals that have been bred in captivity or in a limited number of cases brought in from the wild, for the post wild. >> are there no positives to have orcas in captivity. one member argues out of site, out of mind.
>> that is a conventional wisdom that is quoted. i also take issue with that argument and have many times over the last few years. considering the fact that elephants have been in captivity for 200 years. whales were never in captivity, there was an outcry and whaling was stopped. i find that the evidence demonstrates that the correlation between the two isn't that strong and that, no, we don't necessarily have to have animals in captivity in order for us to care about them. money. >> how about the beluga whales, endangered in the wild and there's a successful program breeding them in chicago and other places.
captivity? >> the issue depends on the animal and the circumstances and surroundings. terrestrial animals, it's easy to create an environment similar to their life in the wild. it's impossible to do that with a marine mama. take beluga whales. i'm against the concept of capturing wild animals out of complex social groups, and see world and the georgia aquarium applied to do that. they were denied by noah. the system is happening. animals are taken out of the wild in russia, introduced to a captive situation, that is unacceptable, for anyone to agree to take them and put them in a captive situation. it's unacceptable. >> where do we draw the line. felipe is talking about mammals,
do we not have dolphins in captivity either? expert. i rely on the opinions of scientists like the cousteau family. we reached to the marine mammal scientific community and heard resounding opinions that the type of program that exists at sea world scoping the killer whales in captivity is not a good idea. >> what about san diego, down there i don't think you are popular. the newspaper, the mayor, assembly men spoke out saying see world brings tens of millions into that economy, and that this makes no sense. >> well, that same newspaper ran a poll asking the public what it thought about the bill.
and folks are running two-thirds/one-third in favour of the bill. i don't think the popularity is suffering. but that's not in issue here. the bill is about a program that we should bring to a close. i think that the public and the scientific community, including very conservative publications like scientific american, which just came out with an editorial supporting the actions that we have in my bill. there's really a resounding amount of popular opinion and scientific opinion that supports the ideas that are in my bill. >> they are magistic animals. it's good to talk about them and raise consciousness about them and see what people decide in the future. tonight. >> the show may be over, the
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